Across The Way Thread #22678
| what kinda bothers me... |
| Created By | deniseannette |
| Created Date | Mon, Oct 26, 2009 |
| Created Time | 12:53PM GMT |
| User | Date | | deniseannette | 10/26/2009 12:53:32 PM | | Hel | 10/26/2009 7:42:13 PM | | Sweet_River | 10/27/2009 6:58:40 AM | | christellephoenix214 | 10/27/2009 11:16:27 AM | | Hel | 10/27/2009 6:39:05 PM | | deniseannette | 10/27/2009 12:12:17 PM | | Hel | 10/27/2009 6:54:20 PM | | Sweet_River | 10/28/2009 2:54:08 AM | | deniseannette | 10/28/2009 1:10:19 PM | | Hel | 10/28/2009 6:43:25 PM | | Hel | 10/28/2009 6:43:27 PM | | Dani The Girl | 11/3/2009 6:55:42 PM | | Thomas | 1/11/2010 2:58:01 PM | | dogpaddle | 6/6/2010 5:57:01 PM | | dogpaddle | 6/6/2010 6:12:09 PM | | Hel | 6/7/2010 6:56:32 PM | | Hel | 6/7/2010 6:56:36 PM |
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| Author | Message #68161 |
| deniseannette | Subject | what kinda bothers me...
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| Posted | Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:53PM GMT | Method | Web-Site |
| I'm sure we all have heard what happened on River's last day and of course it was his fault for what happened. I'm sure you guys have heard that john frusciante and River were doing drugs together the night he died. What bothers me is according to Barry's book (the most accurate book about river) when river snorted (NOT DRANK) the stuff and felt sick, John left the bathroom. I mean complete strangers were in the bathroom helping him and his friend ran for the hills. Who does that to a friend? He could have called 911 (he didnt have to say that he was doing drugs with him) or at least let someone know..I know its been almost 16 years but damn..so many what ifs...
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| Author | Message #68163 |
| Hel | Subject | Re: what kinda bothers me...
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| Posted | Mon, Oct 26, 2009 07:42PM GMT | Method | Web-Site |
| Personally I'd rather not judge specific people because of what they may or may not have done that night. We have heard stories about what happened that night. Some of them have been told by people who were actually there; others have been told by people who were close to River, but weren't there.
If you whisper a word into someone's ear, and that person whispers that word into another person's ear and so on, there is a possibility that the word will have changed on the way.
I wasn't there, so I don't wanna judge. 
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| Author | Message #68166 |
| Sweet_River | Subject | Re: what kinda bothers me...
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| Posted | Tue, Oct 27, 2009 06:58AM GMT | Method | Web-Site |
| i hope john rots in hell! actually, that's the first thought that comes to mind. then i try to be rational... i think john knew he was giving river something stronger or something 'experimental'. i totally blame john like 95% and the other 5% on river. the reason is because i know river took it of his own free will, but i doubt that he knew the strength of what he was taking. i mean, yeah he took it because it was from his 'friend'.. who'd think your own 'friend' would give you a shot that'd kill you right!? but for some reason, i believe that john knew what he was giving river and didn't consider that river's drug habits are way different from his own.
i hate how some people just worship john (for his music) and don't realize that if someone does something horrific it doesn't get erased just because you love their music. i don't know.. sometimes i try to think that maybe there is a reason john survived and river didn't.. i mean john was so effing eff'ed up before and now he's 'clean'. i try to think maybe there is a divine reason for that so it'll make me feel better................
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| Author | Message #68172 |
| christellephoenix214 | Subject | Re: what kinda bothers me...
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| Posted | Tue, Oct 27, 2009 11:16AM GMT | Method | Web-Site |
| I haved never understanding why John Frusciante don't have help River when he have saw he was sick.
I will always to be angry against John Frusciante cause that.
Even if River have take this dugs is John who have give him this tragic cocktail so he sould help River when he have saw something happened to River.
Is hard have this pain in my heart thinking than River can to be saved but he don't have was saved.
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| Author | Message #68173 |
| Hel | Subject | Re: what kinda bothers me...
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| Posted | Tue, Oct 27, 2009 06:39PM GMT | Method | Web-Site |
| I know this is a sensitive topic, but please let's stay civil, OK? Considering that none of us were there that night, I think the post after mine was totally uncalled for and unnecessary.
I understand why some people are upset with him. I used to be really upset with him, too. However, you gotta remember there are a lot of different people in here with a lot of different opinions about this. If you're upset with him, you are totally welcome to express that in here, but there are different ways of doing so...
This is how I feel about this:
Personally I'm just as upset with River as I am upset with John. They both did really stupid things that night, and it probably wasn't the first time they did such stupid things. Having said that, they're not the only ones I am upset with. They were surrounded by people who should have told them no. But when it comes down to it, we do NOT know what went through their heads that night. We don't know if John knew what he was giving River. We don't know if he knew that it was a much stronger dose than River was used to. Last but not least, we don't know if River knew what he was taking. He may have known. We do NOT know.
What I DO know is that drugs change people. They turn really nice and intelligent people into egocentric people. Addicts will do anything to get their fix. Hence, what John did that night does NOT define John. Just as what River did that night does NOT define River. Still, they messed up, and they paid the price. Some may question whether or not John paid the price enough. In my opinion he didn't lawfully speaking, but mentally speaking? I don't think he'll ever forgive himself. He'll live with a guilty conscience for the rest of his life.
You can call me crazy, but I would never wish hell upon someone like John. I have never been capable of wishing it upon anyone. Not even my worst enemy. Maybe that would change if someone deliberately hurt or killed my family, but what John did was not deliberate. I'm positive he didn't go out that night thinking "Tonight I'll go kill my best friend River." His addiction worsened after River's death (you'd think that was impossible.) Was that cause he didn't care? Or was it because he couldn't live with what he had done?
In all honesty, I wish both of them would have survived and would have been punished for their mistake, in a way so that they would straighten out their lives. That didn't happen. Tragically River was taken from us way too soon. But John? John straightened out, and nothing will ever make me feel anything but happy for him for finding his way out of the deep dark hole. I think of it like this:
Tragically one talented kid was taken from us, but thankfully the other talented kid wasn't. (John was only 23, just like River.)
Take care,
Helene
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